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Alan Nunnelee, Grover Norquist, and the MS Democratic Party

June 17, 2010
tags: 2010 House, Alan Nunnelee, Americans for Tax Reform, Grover Norquist, Mississippi Democrats, MS-01
by Brett

Yesterday, Alan Nunnelee posted on Twitter that he had just met with Grover Norquist and his organization Americans For Tax Reform. This is rather interesting because during the primary Nunnelee got hit from his rivals- mainly Angela McGlowan- for signing the taxpayer protection pledge but then supporting a cigarette tax increase along with a hospital bed assessment. Nunnelee has soothed relations with McGlowan, and getting Norquist on board is a must for any Republican hopeful. In fact, signing the taxpayer protection pledge is essentially a necessity for any Republican running for federal office.

Nunnelee’s statement also said, “I support their efforts to make taxes simpler flatter and lower.” Here is the pledge that House candidates/ incumbents sign, and here is what Nunnelee signed as a member of the legislature.

ATR calls it a “written promise by legislators and candidates for office that commits them to oppose any effort to increase income taxes on individuals and businesses.”

The Mississippi Democratic Party didn’t think much of the pledge, or ATR in general, and issued this statement: “As Alan Nunnelee flew up to Washington this week, Mississippi families can see that he was signing away their jobs overseas. In this economy, families are rightly worried that their job could be the next one to be shipped overseas, yet that doesn’t stop Alan Nunnelee from rewarding companies that profit by outsourcing Mississippi jobs. Alan Nunnelee might think that standing up for Wall Street and Washington special interest by protecting tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas reflects Mississippi values, but the voters of Mississippi know better.”

Interestingly, I went scrolling through the list of signers from the 111th Congress which included 172 Representatives and 33 Senators. One of the signers on the House side was Rep. Gene Taylor. Taylor is, of course, a Democrat. I then looked further at the list of signers in the state legislature. This list includes George Flaggs, Bennett Malone, Bobby Moak, Johnny Stringer, and Joseph Warren- all Democrats.

23 Comments leave one →
  1. Nochilders permalink
    June 17, 2010 9:01 pm

    How does keeping income taxes lower send jobs overseas or protect Wall Street? As with most releases from the MS Democratic Party I miss the point, I take that back they miss the point. Once again if this is the best they have good for Nunnelee. He is doing fine.

  2. RandomThoughts permalink
    June 18, 2010 1:11 am

    Signing a tax pledge is an easy way to drum up support without having to offer solutions to the real problems we are facing in the next decade. Take Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid – within the next 10 years all three of these programs will be bankrupt and there are only three solutions – raise taxes, cut benefits, or deficit spend.

    Individuals running for office who truly have this country’s best interests in mind cannot go to Washington and say I won’t raise taxes and I will protect your social security check. Because all that does is get us more indebted to China, Saudi Arabia and other countries that don’t really like us.

    Refusing to raise taxes without a pledge to significantly cut spending (including cutting popular programs) is not an honorable stand. Rather it is a politically expedient way to get elected and shove the future tax burden on our children and grandchildren.

    That said unlike the blowhard McGlowan I do give Nunnlee credit for raising the cigarette tax, which Nunnlee thought (in my opinion correctly) was a good way to raise revenue. If you don’t want to pay the tax, don’t smoke.

  3. Dontreadonme permalink
    June 18, 2010 7:53 am

    If the government dose not like people smoking, then they need to outlaw smoking. Wait a minute, If no one is smoking, then we want raise revenue. Truth is you do not want your taxes raised. You do not care that the tax burden is place on those that can least afford it. I hope you can sleep at night knowing a young child went without breakfast because mom pays 3 extra dollars for her pack of cigarettes. Lets help those with addictions and not depend on them for revenue.

  4. RandomThoughts permalink
    June 18, 2010 11:21 am

    First, it is not my fault a selfish mother or father decides to spend money on her own drug addiction and not their child’s breakfast. Second, I thought you conservatives were for flat taxes nothing is more flat than a tobacco tax, if you don’t want to pay the tax don’t smoke. Finally, it is a fact that people who smoke, dip, & chew later on in life require expensive PREVENTABLE medical treatments due to their decision to smoke, dip & chew. And who gets stuck with the bill in most cases? The taxpayers. So don’t tell me smokers have rights and I should butt out. In the end they will want treatment for lung cancer, emphysema, etc. and they will want their Medicare/Medicaid to pay for it (i.e. me).

    So I think its perfectly fair to raises taxes on smokers because they will wind up costing us more money down the road. And if people stopped smoking and we raised less revenue you know what that would still be a positive for us because people who don’t smoke get sick less often which equals less healthcare costs.

    • Dontreadonme permalink
      June 21, 2010 9:17 am

      I guess your STATE does not receive money form the tobacco lawsuit. OOHH your STATE sued the tobacco companies and won a settlement that is to cover Medicad expenses do to tobacco related illness. Why did your STATE sue the todacco companies? Because they were targeting children and teens with advertisment knowing their product was addictive. They made smoking the KOOL thing to do. The child targeted by the tobacco company is now an adult. If you have never quit smoking then you do not understand what it take to quit. The hardest thing for a smoker to do is quit. A smoker will try to quit many times before they succeed. If all that you state is true, then OUTLAW tobacco. Stop using addicts as a source of revnue.

      • RandomThoughts permalink
        June 21, 2010 10:23 am

        Cry me a river. I smoked for years and I quit. It took many failed attempts but if a person is disciplined they can quit. As for outlawing tobacco – doing that would be criminalizing addiction, which is stupid because then it would cost the country even more. The easy solution is tax the hell out of tobacco because of the increased healthcare costs smokers cause this country. But apparently you would rather non-smokers subsidize your “freedom” to smoke. Some conservative viewpoint that is.

        • Dontreadonme permalink
          June 21, 2010 10:50 pm

          Now, I do understand. The liberals must have smokers in order to make their push for HEALTH CARE. If people did not smoke, then there would be no need for the Health Care Bill. The government could outlaw smoking tobacco just like they do MARIJUANA. OOOooo… If they did that, then the government would not make any money. The government criminalizes many addictions all the time. I guess you would like to decriminalize all addictive drugs. You liberals need to leave US small people alone and stop taxing US. One day you will wake up and understand that government cannot do anything RIGHT! Look at the Blowout in the Gulf. The government was responsible to inspect the BOP’s before the first pipe touched the water. The government was on the Gulf as soon as it exploded and has done absolutly nothing to stop the leak. Katrina, Medicad, Social Security, and Border Security are other examples and shows how the government does nothing right. My friend I hope that you may wake up from your Super Silver Haze some day.

          • Grizz permalink
            June 21, 2010 11:07 pm

            don’t forget the POST OFFICE lol

  5. Grizz permalink
    June 18, 2010 4:39 pm

    Grover Norquist’s ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes — who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005 — are very active in “Muslim outreach.” Just six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an exposé explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 — to show how Muslims rejected terrorism.On the afternoon of September 26, George W. Bush gathered 15 prominent Muslim- and Arab-Americans at the White House.
    Unfortunately, many of the leaders present hadn’t unambiguously rejected terrorism. It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office of an incurious president after the worst attack ever on American soil.
    Bush did this because he trusted Norquist, who vouched for these Muslim leaders. Yet “the record suggests,” wrote Foer, “that [Norquist] has spent quite a lot of time promoting people openly sympathetic to Islamist terrorists.” And this continued for years. In December 2003, David Horowitz wrote that Norquist, … has formed alliances with prominent Islamic radicals who have ties to the Saudis and to Libya and to Palestine Islamic Jihad, and who are now under indictment by U.S. authorities. Equally troubling is that the arrests of these individuals and their exposure as agents of terrorism have not resulted in noticeable second thoughts on Grover’s part or any meaningful effort to dissociate himself from his unsavory friends.
    Horowitz wrote this in an introduction to a detailed exposé by Frank Gaffney showing how Norquist had given Muslims with jihad terror links access to the highest levels of the U.S. government.

    Grover Norquist was on the Islamic payroll before and after the carnage of September 11. Gaffney revealed Norquist’s close ties to Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is now serving twenty-three years in prison for financing jihad activity

  6. Red II permalink
    June 19, 2010 10:55 am

    thats it for me–i liked Nunnelee,but he just lost me.

    • Red II permalink
      June 19, 2010 12:31 pm

      I am still in for Nunnelee.

  7. Red permalink
    June 19, 2010 12:46 pm

    Not me. I am still a huge Nunnelee fan.

  8. C Burns permalink
    June 20, 2010 8:29 am

    I am still for Sen. Nunnelee. Do you think Tarvis is any better?

  9. Grizz permalink
    June 20, 2010 10:19 am

    no,but wally pang is–he’s running on tea party platform-and just posted on facebook about nunnelees buddy norquist–the friend of supremist radical muslims,some of which are under indictment,and other(s) in federal prison–wtg alan–brilliant–next we will have a new mosque next to the Ms. capitol bldg-

  10. Forest Thigpen permalink
    June 20, 2010 8:57 pm

    Grizz -

    If you want to criticize Alan for attending this meeting, you’ll have to do the same to Sharron Angle, the Tea Party-supported opponent of Harry Reid in the Nevada Senate race. She attended the same meeting Alan did.

    Nunnelee attended the “Wednesday Meeting” hosted by Norquist. The Wednesday Meeting has been held every Wednesday for the last 17 years and is attended by about 150 people who represent virtually every major conservative organization in Washington – including those that are openly critical of Islamic terrorists and very supportive of Israel. The purpose of the meeting is to offer a forum for these organizations to let each other know what they are working on.

    If Norquist really is tied to terrorists, you would think these major organizations would go somewhere else to have this meeting. It would be easy enough to do so.

    Norquist always includes time in the meeting for candidates or organizations based outside DC to introduce themselves. So, Alan was able to introduce himself to all those organizations at once and tell them briefly about his campaign. Regardless of what anybody thinks of Norquist himself, the meeting he hosts is valuable to the conservative movement and was a great opportunity for Alan to tell these groups about the importance of his campaign.

    While I disagree vehemently with Norquist’s actions and positions on some issues, ATR as an organization has done excellent work, including promoting transparency in government spending. In fact, after Norquist spoke on this topic to newly-elected legislators in Jackson after the 2007 elections (at a policy seminar sponsored by the Mississippi Center for Public Policy, which I lead), a new law was passed requiring the state to post all spending, contracts, and grants on a searchable website. ATR also has projects promoting property rights, opposing unions, and of course, opposing tax increases. In Alan’s Facebook post, he specifically said he appreciates ATR’s position on taxes; he didn’t say he endorses everything Grover Norquist is involved in.

    It’s likely that Nunnelee didn’t even know about the terrorist allegations; most people don’t. The allegations stem from only two or three disgruntled people. With the exception of Pamela Gellar’s column which you copied and pasted, there have been few original references to these allegations since the mid-2000s, when they were made by someone with whom Norquist had a falling-out. Even at the beginning of Gellar’s column, which you didn’t include in your post, she expresses her disappointment that an event of hers didn’t get recognized by Norquist. So, there are a few disgruntled people making these allegations vs. scores of organizations who continue to attend Norquist’s meeting that Nunnelee attended. That doesn’t mean the few aren’t right, but it does beg some skepticism of their charges.

    And, along with the reasons I’ve already described, Alan should not be disparaged for attending this meeting and even appreciating ATR’s work.

    • marmie permalink
      June 20, 2010 11:01 pm

      The New Republic is a very liberal magazine . Why would a conservative believe anything in it?

      • Grizz permalink
        June 20, 2010 11:29 pm

        @ marmie– the above reply is a nu
        nnelee operative just sticking up for,an
        d covering for him–to be expected– everyone can
        vote for whom they choose,but let all the candidate info be heard–ya go to meeting(s) with a deep pocketed D.C. insider,who hangs with the jihadis,some who are under indictment for terror related activity,and one in fed prison for over 20 yrs–we have a right to know–
        kinda like zero saying RE: rezko or ayers,–he’s just a guy in the neighborhood——————sure————

  11. Grizz permalink
    June 20, 2010 11:17 pm

    ANY politician,no matter who,–who attends meetings with a deep pocketed muslim jihadi associate whos OTHER associates run the gamut of indictments and federal prison for terror related activity is no friend of America–and for you,probably a nunnelee campaign person,to say he didnt know this is really disengenous–if nunnelee knows not of who his associates hang with,he has no business representing us–or me for that matter–i will do all i can to see he is not elected in nov–until,and if,he has the fortutude to come to my face and explain his meeting with a supremacist jihadi lover—

    • Grizz permalink
      June 20, 2010 11:23 pm

      p.s. i did not copy pamela gellers article–although she knows all about this,cause she sent me an email telling me to spread the info around so electors can see his associations–its an article from American thinker and other sources,who know more of norquist bringing radical jihadi muslims into contact with D.C. insiders–which,ARE the problem in D.C.–

      • marmie permalink
        June 20, 2010 11:42 pm

        You are quoting The New Republic, it is a liberal magazine with leftist articles written by leftist loons.

  12. Grizz permalink
    June 21, 2010 8:39 am

    SS,your’re mistaken on this one–however,no matter where this info came from originaly,its true-

  13. tom permalink
    June 21, 2010 5:13 pm

    Grizz, are you off your medication again?

    • Grizz permalink
      June 21, 2010 5:32 pm

      yes,of course i am–im taking yours now–

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